Comments on: death in the eav. http://atlanta.metblogs.com/2009/01/15/death-in-the-eav/ Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:32:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Give or Take | Atlanta Metblogs http://atlanta.metblogs.com/2009/01/15/death-in-the-eav/comment-page-1/#comment-15500 Give or Take | Atlanta Metblogs Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:59:29 +0000 http://atlanta.metblogs.com/?p=3153#comment-15500 [...] I wanted to write something about the shooting in East Atlanta Village this week, even though James already covered it once. Not long before the shots were fired, I was a few blocks away, standing in the street talking [...] [...] I wanted to write something about the shooting in East Atlanta Village this week, even though James already covered it once. Not long before the shots were fired, I was a few blocks away, standing in the street talking [...]

]]> By: james http://atlanta.metblogs.com/2009/01/15/death-in-the-eav/comment-page-1/#comment-15496 james Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:25:04 +0000 http://atlanta.metblogs.com/?p=3153#comment-15496 well what i said was this: <blockquote>i have changed with age and no longer support the death penalty or listen to too much right-wing talk radio (although i still eat a bunch of red meat) and i can’t cheer at the death of this person, but i don’t feel sorry for him either and i am glad this ended with the person committing the crime dead as opposed to the victim</blockquote> which is fairly aligned with what you wrote. i happen to agree with you on the deterrent value of a trained and armed citizenry, but as you can see from several of the previous comments that is clearly not a settled idea and there is lots of data on both sides of the argument. well what i said was this:

i have changed with age and no longer support the death penalty or listen to too much right-wing talk radio (although i still eat a bunch of red meat) and i can’t cheer at the death of this person, but i don’t feel sorry for him either and i am glad this ended with the person committing the crime dead as opposed to the victim

which is fairly aligned with what you wrote. i happen to agree with you on the deterrent value of a trained and armed citizenry, but as you can see from several of the previous comments that is clearly not a settled idea and there is lots of data on both sides of the argument.

]]> By: jbaker232 http://atlanta.metblogs.com/2009/01/15/death-in-the-eav/comment-page-1/#comment-15495 jbaker232 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:12:07 +0000 http://atlanta.metblogs.com/?p=3153#comment-15495 Although I commend you for not supporting the death penalty, I must admit I don't follow your logic in this instance. It is unfortunate that someone had to die, but would you have rather the victims been murdered? The criminal made a decision to break the law and threaten another life, and he paid for that decision. Perhaps if other criminals heard this story it would deter them from violent crime in the future, as it wouldn't be an attractive alternative. There is evidence to back this up. http://tinyurl.com/6wlwkp In the early 80's, Kennssaw passed a mandatory gun ordinance and they saw an immediate and consistent drop in crime in the months following. My point being that criminals are smart and if there is a hightened risk in commiting violent crime, they will persue a different option. Although I commend you for not supporting the death penalty, I must admit I don’t follow your logic in this instance. It is unfortunate that someone had to die, but would you have rather the victims been murdered? The criminal made a decision to break the law and threaten another life, and he paid for that decision. Perhaps if other criminals heard this story it would deter them from violent crime in the future, as it wouldn’t be an attractive alternative.

There is evidence to back this up. http://tinyurl.com/6wlwkp In the early 80′s, Kennssaw passed a mandatory gun ordinance and they saw an immediate and consistent drop in crime in the months following. My point being that criminals are smart and if there is a hightened risk in commiting violent crime, they will persue a different option.

]]> By: rustytanton http://atlanta.metblogs.com/2009/01/15/death-in-the-eav/comment-page-1/#comment-15493 rustytanton Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:48:25 +0000 http://atlanta.metblogs.com/?p=3153#comment-15493 What artiloop said. What artiloop said.

]]> By: jamsmooth http://atlanta.metblogs.com/2009/01/15/death-in-the-eav/comment-page-1/#comment-15485 jamsmooth Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:05:07 +0000 http://atlanta.metblogs.com/?p=3153#comment-15485 I was thinking the same thing as artiloop. Will this shooting make criminals more brash and brazen or will it make them stop and think? At this point it's still too early to say this is a crime wave. However I think we should all do whatever we think is necessary to protect ourselves. I was thinking the same thing as artiloop. Will this shooting make criminals more brash and brazen or will it make them stop and think? At this point it’s still too early to say this is a crime wave. However I think we should all do whatever we think is necessary to protect ourselves.

]]> By: artiloop http://atlanta.metblogs.com/2009/01/15/death-in-the-eav/comment-page-1/#comment-15482 artiloop Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:14:57 +0000 http://atlanta.metblogs.com/?p=3153#comment-15482 I would love to think that this would serve as a deterrent, but my worry is that the message to baddies will be less "stop being bad" and more "shoot first." The only deterrents I can see really working are better police presence (am I the only one who misses seeing Off. Griffin around all the time?), and also addressing the more basic roots of crime (poverty, discrimination, poor education, etc...all of which are harder to address than poor police coverage) I would love to think that this would serve as a deterrent, but my worry is that the message to baddies will be less "stop being bad" and more "shoot first." The only deterrents I can see really working are better police presence (am I the only one who misses seeing Off. Griffin around all the time?), and also addressing the more basic roots of crime (poverty, discrimination, poor education, etc…all of which are harder to address than poor police coverage)

]]> By: atlnav http://atlanta.metblogs.com/2009/01/15/death-in-the-eav/comment-page-1/#comment-15481 atlnav Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:09:33 +0000 http://atlanta.metblogs.com/?p=3153#comment-15481 <p>The event itself is sad and I hate hearing about this happening and even more so in <b>EAV</b>. I hope that this can turn into something <i>positive</i> in any shape or form - ideally to prevent this happening again.</p> <p> Its scary to think how many people are armed and why anyone - even a desperate criminal would risk this.</p><p> <strong>@atlnav</strong></p> The event itself is sad and I hate hearing about this happening and even more so in EAV. I hope that this can turn into something positive in any shape or form – ideally to prevent this happening again.

Its scary to think how many people are armed and why anyone – even a desperate criminal would risk this.

@atlnav

]]> By: atlnav http://atlanta.metblogs.com/2009/01/15/death-in-the-eav/comment-page-1/#comment-15480 atlnav Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:07:17 +0000 http://atlanta.metblogs.com/?p=3153#comment-15480 The event itself is sad and I hate hearing about this happening and even more so in EAV. I hope that this can turn into something positive in any shape or form - ideally to prevent this happening again. Its scary to think how many people are armed and why anyone - even a desperate criminal would risk this. The event itself is sad and I hate hearing about this happening and even more so in EAV. I hope that this can turn into something positive in any shape or form – ideally to prevent this happening again. Its scary to think how many people are armed and why anyone – even a desperate criminal would risk this.

]]> By: Cap'n Ken http://atlanta.metblogs.com/2009/01/15/death-in-the-eav/comment-page-1/#comment-15479 Cap'n Ken Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:55:03 +0000 http://atlanta.metblogs.com/?p=3153#comment-15479 OK, gotcha. I was trying to think back ... the Graveyard area has had several armed robberies and those crimes are a problem, but the only other shooting I remember in that lot was the cop who shot the fleeing suspect. OK, gotcha. I was trying to think back … the Graveyard area has had several armed robberies and those crimes are a problem, but the only other shooting I remember in that lot was the cop who shot the fleeing suspect.

]]> By: james http://atlanta.metblogs.com/2009/01/15/death-in-the-eav/comment-page-1/#comment-15478 james Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:48:42 +0000 http://atlanta.metblogs.com/?p=3153#comment-15478 there ya go, ken. hope that clarifies. sorry for any confusion. there ya go, ken. hope that clarifies. sorry for any confusion.

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