I’M ON A ROLL…
AND WHILE I’M ON A ROLL…
Let me add a different tone to Andisheh Nouraee topic below regarding any attempt to ban adoptions by people who were born homosexual. This post has nothing to do with anything except children who need a home ñ a real home.
Letís be clear. What did you need and want when you were a child? Didnít you want a nice, calm, loving and safe place to live? Didnít you want toys on your birthday or during the holidays? Perhaps, a trip to the beach during your Summer vacation? Well, I did.
Didnít you want hope? Didnít you want the pain to stop ñ the pain of loneliness, of abuse or neglect? Wouldnít it be nice to live with someone that actually wanted you; that actually went through the miles of paperwork to give you a home, not just a place to live, who stood up against the stigma of being less than human to show you, you can be raised by someone who truly loves you.
Well, thatís the bottom line for children who donít have a home or parents that want them. Think as a child for a moment. What do they care if they have two daddies or two moms? They donít. I didnít and I only had one. I just wanted safety, love and opportunities. I had all those and more in abundance.
Speaking generically, as I have no clue who the people mentioned in the pervious post areÖ The point I think that needs to be clearly stated here is the fact ñ and it is a fact ñ that there are those that will do anything in their power to overlay their personal belief structure on the lives of others. They will stop at nothing until an entire community, state or nation is aligned with their beliefs. They will falsify facts, they will hold rallies to willfully instill fear into the public. They will do anything and everything in their power to convince you that there is an impending epidemic of moral destruction headed your way. They will preach politics in the church, they will damn you to hell. Do those select few really care about the children?
Clearly, there is a great, a very great, need for foster homes and the adoption of children devastated by their biological parents who didnít want to be parents in the first place. Clearly, there is no evidence of the absurd statements made by those attempting to mislead others in thinking children taken in to a loving home by gay guardians / parents will all the sudden change their brain chemistry to become gay or be lead down some bizarre road of chaos. Clearly, love and compassion for our children is the key to their growing up to live their own lives successfully in society.
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with a male or female desire to raise a family, to take their kids to the ball games, to buy them new and trendy clothes for school, to feed them and support them through adulthood. People, straight or gay, either want kids and a family or they donít. Their sexual orientation at birth makes no difference. It is, indeed, a societyís perception of something they know little of and care not to understand. Banning gay adoptions is an act of negligence in itself. See paragraph 5. As far as religion. I promise not to try and overlay my religious beliefs on you, if you promise not to try and overlay your religious beliefs on me. Thatís why Georgia is a State and not a church. See, a secular government has its advantages where humans are involved.
That’s what I meant to say.
You’re tone isn’t very different from Andisheh’s. You make the same points and come to the same conclusions.
“This post has nothing to do with anything except children who need a home”
-Nobody is arguing that children don’t need homes, the disagreement has to do with factors used to determine parental credibility.
“Letís be clear.”
-Did more than 1 person type this post? Or is this just presidential-type rhetoric?
“What did you need and want when you were a child? Didn’t you want a nice, calm, loving and safe place to live? Didn’t you want toys on your birthday or during the holidays? Perhaps, a trip to the beach during your Summer vacation? Well, I did.”
-What we want as children and what we need as children aren’t usually the same thing. I don’t remember wanting to be punished when I misbehaved as a child, but the job of parents is not to give the children what they want, it’s to give the children the tools they need to succeed in life. For most (straight) children, learning how to interact with the opposite sex in a loving relationship is one of those life lessons. Children first learn this from their parents. A homosexual parent can attempt explaining this to a child, but demonstrating a heterosexual love is beyond their capability.
“Didn’t you want hope? Didn’t you want the pain to stop ñ the pain of loneliness, of abuse or neglect? Wouldn’t it be nice to live with someone that actually wanted you;”
-These are strong emotional assertions that deviate from the discussion about the capability of homosexual parents to provide the foundation capable of sustaining heterosexual children.
“that actually went through the miles of paperwork to give you a home, not just a place to live, who stood up against the stigma of being less than human to show you, you can be raised by someone who truly loves you.”
-More self-evident deviating statements, that apply to both homo/Hester sexuals.
“Well, thatís the bottom line for children who donít have a home or parents that want them.”
-Let’s quit tip-toing around this issue with emotional heart-strings. Here’s a bottom line for you. Two couples want to adopt little Johnny. One of the couples is gay, one of the couples is straight. Other than that, they are exactly the same. They have the same financial means, they live in the same neighborhood, they are both very kind, the whole nine yards. Who do you send little Johnny home with? If you’re saying that it doesn’t matter, then you’re being naive.
“Think as a child for a moment. What do they care if they have two daddies or two moms?”
-Maybe they think… ‘Why do I have two daddies when everybody else has a daddy and a mom? Oh. Does that mean I’m going to be gay when I grow up? No? If you two are my daddies, doesn’t that mean I’m gay too since you’re my dads? Oh. Can I be gay if I want to? Because me and all kids want to make our parents proud. You mean I might be straight? What’s that like? you don’t know? Oh.’
Yes, I can see now, how perfectly normal having 2 gay parents would be.
“They donít.”
-Well, that answers that. I’m not sure why I bothered answering if you had the definitive answer the whole time.
“I didnít and I only had one.”
-You’re perspective is completely hypothetical because you didn’t have 2 daddies or 2 mommies, and, therefore, you don’t know what you can only conjecture as to how you’d really feel about the issue.
“I just wanted safety, love and opportunities. I had all those and more in abundance.”
-Goody. Thank your mom or dad (whichever was the ‘one’).
“Speaking generically,”
-I’m glad to see that your speech has no commercial endorsements.
“as I have no clue”
-I completely agree.
“The point I think that needs to be clearly stated here is the fact – and it is a fact -”
-Translation: This is my opinion, but dang it if I’m not adamant about it!
“that there are those that will do anything in their power to overlay their personal belief structure on the lives of others. They will stop at nothing until an entire community, state or nation is aligned with their beliefs. They will falsify facts, they will hold rallies to willfully instill fear into the public. They will do anything and everything in their power to convince you that there is an impending epidemic of moral destruction headed your way. They will preach politics in the church, they will damn you to hell.”
-Agreed!
“Do those select few really care about the children?”
-Yes. They too are human and care about children.
“Clearly, there is a great, a very great, need for foster homes and the adoption of children devastated by their biological parents who didnít want to be parents in the first place.”
-Yea! As opposed to all the gay people that have the life long dream of procreation and parenthood!
“Clearly, there is no evidence of the absurd statements made by those attempting to mislead others in thinking children taken in to a loving home by gay guardians / parents will all the sudden change their brain chemistry to become gay or be lead down some bizarre road of chaos.”
-I personally think (don’t know, not clearly, just one guy’s opinion) that the issue about gay adoption ties directly in with the issue of gay marriage. For a long time it has been the practice of placing children into homes governed by married couples. Handing a child over to a man and a woman who just happen to be living together hasn’t been smiled upon by adoption agencies. By legitimizing gay adoption it is almost the same as legitimizing gay marriage. Just something to think about.
“Clearly, love and compassion for our children is the key to their growing up to live their own lives successfully in society.”
-‘Clearly’, people disagree with you. Love and compassion are terms that mean different things to different people. If my son is struggling to crawl across the floor because he has physical challenges and I go to help him because he is crying… is that compassion? Or if I sit there and let him cry baby tears while encouraging him to keep trying, even though it’s breaking my heart… is THAT COMPASSION? People like you claim to take the moral high-ground by accepting everyone and everything. Life is harder than that. There are direct consequences to the choices you, as in individual, make in life. There are also problems you have to live with that are beyond your control. If homosexuality is a choice, then one of the consequences of that choice is your inability to procreate. If it is genetic, then that is a burden, just as a physical attribute can be a burden, but that’s life. People that think everyone should have their cake and eat it too, and that the world would be perfect if we could all be happy and get what we want make me sick.
“Sexual orientation has nothing to do with a male or female desire to raise a family, to take their kids to the ball games, to buy them new and trendy clothes for school, to feed them and support them through adulthood.”
-There are lots of opportunities to be an influence in the life of a child beyond parenthood.
“People, straight or gay, either want kids and a family or they donít. Their sexual orientation at birth makes no difference.”
-This is where you disagree with those that disagree with you. It does make a difference for all the previously outlined reasons.
“It is, indeed, a societyís perception of something they know little of and care not to understand.”
-Are you a member of society, or should I be looking forward to the publishing of your very own manifesto?
“Banning gay adoptions is an act of negligence in itself. See paragraph 5. As far as religion. I promise not to try and overlay my religious beliefs on you,”
-I disagree with you on a completely practical and pragmatic level, not religious.
“if you promise not to try and overlay your religious beliefs on me. Thatís why Georgia is a State and not a church. See, a secular government has its advantages where humans are involved.”
-Glad you cleared that up. I feel silly for taking civics courses when I could have gleamed such a fine understanding of the inner workings of government from fine bloggers such as yourself.
Steve Eady, your grasp of logic is as astounding as your grasp of bigotry and homophobia.
Of course gay adoption is tied to gay marriage. You might even go a step further and say its tied to civil rights. Why is gay marriage such an issue? It’s not because gay people love one another and want to live their life together. It’s because of the legal benefits marriage entails. And the civil equality it provides.
Legal benefits and equalities such as an easier adoption process. Or being able to make medical decisions for an icapacitated spouse.
In the America I love, “all men are created equal.” (Men being used in the historic sense that includes all of humanity) Is that the America you love? It doesn’t appear so. I find it truly amazing that in this day and age, people are still refusing to support civil rights.
So, apparently gay couples treat one another differently than straight couples? So an example of two women who take care of one another, behave respectfully toward one another, and love one another behave differently than straight people? Is there some secret gay-couples handshake? Are you suggesting that gay couples substitute some sort of deviant behavior for breakfast in bed? Because I’m baffled as to what it is that straight couples do that gay couples don’t. There are a whole host of people/things that influence children outside of the parents — grandparents, aunts, uncles, friends, other adults that are significant in their lives. No one’s kids grow up in a bubble with just the parents and the children, and to assume that teh gay is going to rub off on them or make them unable to relate to the opposite sex is, frankly, silly.
Steve, thanks for sharing your thoughts. many may disagree, as I generally do with what you’re saying, but a voice is a voice, and we can always learn by listening, even if it is goes to further our own convictions.
Kent, i wouldn’t necessarily tie it to arguments for or against gay marriage. gay adoption appears on its surface to be about civil rights but it is in only as far as the child’s civil rights, not the adult. there is no legal right to adoption. this is not about gay rights. you can say it is until you’re blue in the face but it will never be. it is and will always be about the rights and interests of the child. WITH THAT SAID, i believe there are gay parents who can serve as good parents just as there are straight parents who can serve as good parents and thats what it should come down to re: adoption…give a child a home with a person or persons, straight or gay, who have been screened and have proven to have good parenting skills.
and i have to say again, in arguments like this…it really serves no one, whether yourself or others, to call someone an evil bigot or homophobe. fucktard perhaps, but not bigot. let statements speak for themselves.
also, Steve Beville, your statement:
“there are those that will do anything in their power to overlay their personal belief structure on the lives of others. They will stop at nothing until an entire community, state or nation is aligned with their beliefs. They will falsify facts, they will hold rallies to willfully instill fear into the public. They will do anything and everything in their power to convince you that there is an impending epidemic…”
generally applies to every side of every issue…democrats, republicans, libs and conservatives, doves, hawks, environmentalists, toxic avengers, the swamp thing, the chick-fil-a cows…and so on.
Nikki, there is indeed a secret gay-couples handshake. I’m baffled that you were unaware of this.
Right on, Steve B.
My turn…People don’t come on here and type, “I am a bigot” in their posts anymore than they say, “I am a fucktard.”
I understand you’re joking about the fucktard thing by my point is when folks write (or say, in the non e-world) things that reveal their discriminatory attitudes, I think we have a duty to call them a bigot. We should also meet their statements with clearheaded rebuttals but at no point do I want to be so civil that the strength of my feelings on the subject aren’t evident.
And you are so right about the Chick-Fil-A cows. They will stop at nothing to make us eat mor chikin…NOTHING!
mr. t….please never hide the strength of your feelings. your feelings mean a lot to me. you mean a lot to be.
you know it’s true.
I’m fine with people being called fucktards or ‘harshly negative’ and plum calling the atl metbloggers all racists, if that’s how he feels or how he wants to call it..perhaps it takes a bigot to know a bigot, i don’t know, maybe it’s like gaydar….anyway, that along with the incessant blogger arse patting that goes on here (both self and other directed) goes with the territory i suppose. always glad to see a difference of opinion, always glad to keep an ear open…it’s just that in debates of opinion i know they generally close once the derogs come a flying. and then what’s the point of preaching to the choir when perhaps you could instead be doing something to lead an evil bigot fucktard to water, if you know what i mean.
The strength of Kent from the Village’s emotions come across just as well, perhaps better and more poignantly, without the lead-in slap: “Steve Eady, your grasp of logic is as astounding as your grasp of bigotry and homophobia.”
Look at Stevie B’s post. The strength of his feelings are definitely made known loud and clear without bigot this and bigot that.
Same with Darling Nikki.
Listen, I’m no one to censor what someone should say…this is your all’s blog and say what you want to say…but I’m just throwing out that it may serve some valid discussions better if say plum didnt immediately resort to calling someone a racist or someone calling another an evil bigot fucktard.
Don’t be shy Jehad…it’s your blog too.
As for your post, as Ed McMahon might say, “You are correct, sir!”
well i appreciate that but it isn’t necessarily my blog, apparently (although i do live in atlanta..like really..in Atlanta..the city, da hood to be exact). I was trying to make a simple comment on the guide dog photo mr. nourauaueuee had posted, which is rather observant and funny in a rodney king meets rodney dangerfield “why can’t we all just laugh about things” kind of way…but for some reason an editor to this site was deleting my comment after it posted, which merely pointed out that i bet this guy was farsighted, like very farsighted. i mean, i didnt even say fucktard or anything.
oh well. Asalaam Alaikum all!
Why do you have to nag about every little thing? Don’t you have work to do?
sorry byronô, i’m govt sponsored. never really work. besides…i’m ‘nagging’ just to chap you, in particular. i do dig the guide dog photo though. good stuff.